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kenberg

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Yogi teaches bridge
« on: January 27, 2019, 04:44:38 PM »
Yogi Berra apparently said that baseball is 90 percent mental and the other half is physical. Applied to bridge this could be: Bridge is 90 percent judgment and the other half is conventions. I will illustrate with an auction, not, for the moment at least, giving the hands. I was playing with the bots, but the same problem might arise with humans.

I have a good hand, good enough for a 2 !C opening, and so I do it. It goes:

2 !C  2 !D
3 !C  3 !D
3 !S  4 !D

Hmm. What am I to make of 4 !D ?


The 2 !D was waiting. The 3 !D was alerted as "cheaper minor with at most 9 highs". Of course 9 highs would be a good responding hand on this auction, but if responder has long diamonds and more or less nothing else, I imagine he would bid it this way.


So first the question on conventions: Is 4 !D passable? The Gib notes don't say, and as near as I can see BWS doesn't either. Let's go to the  Mike Lawrence disk on conventions (I highly recommend this disk, available through BBO).   
 ML says: If opener bids a second suit, responder is obliged to keep bidding until a game contract is reached.

OK, but this applies to responder. He was not allowed to pass 3 !S. Of course not. But how about opener? Responder could have 3=3=6=1 shape and nothing in highs, right? So I can pass?  It seems like that agreement would make sense.


OK, now to judgment. I have a 4=2=2=5 shape, the diamonds being AK. Well, I really do have a big hand.  So, while I think 4 !D should be passable, I decided to bid 5 !D.  The good news is that I can make 5 !D.   The bad news is that partner, over 5 !D, bid 5 !H. Yes he has the !H A but if I am right that 4 !D was passable then we are saying that opener's options are to play 4 !D by passing, or to play 6 !D by going on, but there is no way to play this hand in 5 !D.   That can't be right.


As it happens, 6 !D is not the worst contract in the world, partner has  five diamonds to the Q and the A of hearts. I could, well, with luck I could,  survive a 4-2 split but I got a 5-1 split and went one down. But my point is not whether 6 !D is or is not a reasonable contract, it's that I should be allowed to play  in 5 !D if I wish to.


I offer this to illustrate the danger of conventional bids that are not carefully looked at. I do think that 4 !D should be passable but at the moment I do not have a clear reference that says so. Most agree that getting out in 4 of a minor should be allowed after a 2 !C opening, but details of just when this is allowed are scarce.

Oh. Did Yogi actually say that? I think so. But he also once said "A lot of the things I said I didn't say"

Ken

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Re: Yogi teaches bridge
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2019, 06:44:06 PM »
Nice post Ken. Although its not a main point of your post, I think we're on a very slippery slope if we look to the Bots for bidding expertise.  :-\

Conventions can take you only so far and then you must rely on judgement. What's a responder going to do with some good diamonds and a fair hand....jump to 4 !D over 3 !C? I think judgement says the 3 !D bid needs a moderately large range because of that...not enough to respond 3 !D initially but of course forcing. IMO that 4 !D bid was not forcing, nor was your 5 !D bid.

Now it takes a bit more judgement on responder's part, and the Bot didn't utilize it. His diamonds were on the weaker side of what I would expect for that 4 !D bid. I think his diamonds should be at least 6 to the QJ in order to continue with a 5 level control bid in hearts . . . ostensively a probe for 7 !D!!! which is nuts because 5 !D was a sign-off bid.

In large measure, the answer comes down to the solid understanding of what an initial jump response over 2 !C to 3m would have shown. With my partners it shows 2 of the top 3 honors in probably 6+ or at least a very good 5 (AKJTx) card minor suit.

Back to your original point. Conventions can only take you so far. They aren't a substitute for judgement. Only well honed, long-term partnerships MAY have discussed continuations after that 3 !D bid.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2019, 06:46:44 PM by whidbey »

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Re: Yogi teaches bridge
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2019, 02:41:55 PM »
I try to see what a bot might be thinking but sometimes it's tough/ Here are the hands:

http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=st%7C%7Cmd%7C2SAKQ2HJ6DAKCAKQ54%2CSJ754HKT8753D7CJ2%2CS6HA942DQ9632CT98%2CST983HQDJT854C763%7Csv%7CB%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7CStrong%20two%20club%20--%2019%2B%20HCP%3B%2023%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%202N%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7C2D%20bid%20waiting%20--%2011-%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%202N%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7COpener%20s%20suit%20--%205%2B%20%21C%3B%2019%2B%20HCP%3B%2023%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C3D%21%7Can%7CCheaper%20minor%20--%2011-%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C5%2B%20%21C%3B%204%2B%20%21S%3B%2025%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C4D%7Can%7C4%2B%20%21D%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C5D%7Can%7C5%2B%20%21C%3B%204%2B%20%21D%3B%204%2B%20%21S%3B%2025-30%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C5H%7Can%7CCue%20bid%20--%204%2B%20%21D%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%20%21HA%3B%2010-12%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C6D%7Can%7C5%2B%20%21C%3B%204%2B%20%21D%3B%204%2B%20%21S%3B%2025-30%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CH3%7C

I am South, of course.

I was thinking later that maybe over partner's 5 !H I should have bid 5NT, hopefully a "pick a slam" bid. I am not sue that the bot would take it that way, but perhaps. However I really didn't think that bot had five diamonds to the Q and three clubs. After I bid 3 !C and then 3 !S, it seems I have shown at least five clubs.

Perhaps if he simply bids 4 !C over 3 !S that should be passable, again because of his potentially negative 3 !D call, but  even so I don't much care for his actual choice.

6 !C makes, but then clubs are splitting a lot more nicely than diamonds. In fact 6NT makes, or at least can, but it's very lucky.

Maybe I should have bid 5NT over 5 !H.  Beats me.
Ken

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Re: Yogi teaches bridge
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2019, 06:13:50 PM »
I just noticed that the earlier response was a first post from Whidbey.

Welcome to the IAC Forum.

A long time back I was on Whidbey Island as well as other islands in the Sound. There was a conference in Seattle, I went early and brought my bicycle along. I don't remember the details but I biked up to some ferry and then did some island hopping. Whidbey is large, and I think i partly traveled by bus there. When I got to Orcas Island I stayed for a few days and then over to Vancouver Island, down to Victoria, then back to Seattle. A very nice trip.

A friend from Seattle had told me "Rain is a state of mind". This seemed completely meaningless but when I was riding while drenched I would recite rain's a state of mind, rain's a state of mind. 

Oh, and the conference was good too!
Ken

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Re: Yogi teaches bridge
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2019, 11:28:17 PM »
Ken, and all others, just wait for more on Whidbey. Or better say on another freeware we'll all enjoy using. Post coming soon.
Welcome on board Bob! :)