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Get Competitive! => IAC Pairs Ladder => Topic started by: thornbury on May 21, 2017, 01:22:14 PM
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I notice several pairs registered. We used to have a lot of fun there. Will it start up again, and how many would be interested in a PAIRS or TEAM ladder?
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I've been thinking about this. If Joe is happy to be the main Administrator for the Ladder again, I'm happy for it to go ahead again, but there may be some teething problems, because the code hasn't really been tested since I re-wrote the site.
Joe?
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I that my former team is interested. So that would be 5 of us. The team is now being handled by another member but we have periodic discussions about practice when new team games are formed.
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I'd be happy to shepherd the ladder again.
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Hi All,
Many thanks, Joe.
I've "cleared" the Ladder to avoid us having Pairs listed who don't want to play this time around. That means Pairs will have to register again. Once we have enough Pairs registered I or Joe will initialise the Ladder and matches can commence.
If you're interested in playing in the Pairs Ladder, therefore, please head over to the Pairs Ladder page on the site and register you and your partner for it.
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Olilver,
Do we have the rules listed somewhere. I know we had them worked out fairly well, but I haven't noticed where the rules list is housed yet.
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If you click on the highlighted "Help" on the right-hand side of the Menu, that displays the Ladder Rules.
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Will the pair Ladder games ever be restarted?
Also, it seems unclear about the team games... will there be a ladder team game?
Many of us enjoyed playing in the ladder games and hopefully they will be set up again.
Shirl (kritter2)
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The main thing at the moment is the Pairs Ladder. It will start up again, but only once I've found the time to root out the errors on the page
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I spoke with Joe a couple of nights ago. As I couldnt get into the forum until yesterday my understanding over whats going on with the Pairs Ladder was skewed. It was my understanding that the Website pairs ladder wasnt working, and might not be fixed for a while.
And so I had developed a spreadsheet which could be used in place of the website feature and talked it over with Joe, who seemed pleased in my interest.
You'll obviously need to confirm it with Joe, but I am happy to take over the admin of all Pairs and Team activity. If there's programming work still needing doing I may be able to help with that too. I was a mainframe programmer for most of my adult life and would be happy to get stuck into whatever computer language you use here.
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It's all PHP and MySQL-based, but obviously with a lot of HTML/Javascript and CSS chucked in, Ian.
I'll be honest, I think it would be hard for anyone else to "do" much with the Pairs Ladder page, as it's several thousand lines of fairly convoluted and un-commented code. Part of the problem is that I wrote the code in the first place, but even I will need to spend several hours just going through it all to re-acquaint myself with how it's structured, let alone finding the things that need amending in the code to get the whole page working like clockwork again. It was working fine before, so it may even be a question of the Ladder settings data being out-of-kilter.
It'll be a lot of trial and error to track down exactly what is causing the problems in the first place. I need to clear 2 whole days completely, because it's really not something you can successfully tackle a bit at a time (at least, I can't).
The Teams Series and Teams Ladder pages are similar. Most of the IAC website is fairly simple (assuming you're into PHP) once you understand how the W3 css works, but those are the three most complex pages on the whole site. It's not a question of your skills as a programmer, which I don't doubt, but it's mostly a question of understanding how my mind works and how I've structured the code.
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Well as I say I have built an Excel spreadsheet that looks to me to be whats needed as a getaround and could be used to get the Pairs matches kick-started into life again. I'll write it up and post it in the Admins section for everyone's perusal. Obviously it would be much better to have the IAC site facility working correctly.
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Absorbing an Excel sheet into the site might not be totally straightforward (given no hooks into the database)
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I was thinking of putting it up on our shared Dropbox area
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Oliver, what Ian suggest is keep a separate file, run by himself (no sweat from any other of us), which would be temporary solution while real thingy isnt functional.
I am sure it's not much viable, as most players might do damage to the sheet without wanting it; but heck, they so loved that Pair Ladder, lets have it going with few or more flaws just for time being?
For you Ian: such sheet would need entries of when match is and whom they opp. Can you make a sheet alike IAC site, where a player only selects from drop box their name (with p) and from another whom they played against? It will significantly reduce errors.
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Guys, if you're happy that it'll be functional, even if not perfect, then I'm absolutely going to suggest you run with it and give it a go. I really don't have the time to tackle the Pairs Ladder page on the site at the moment (To give you an idea, the Weekly Play Calendar page took me about 20 minutes and the Admin page about 10 minutes to put together, but finding the source of the problem in the Pairs Ladder page is an exponentially larger problem.
You can put it up in the Drop-box area and publicise it and see what happens without any need for my involvement, so go for it.
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|Thx Oliver. I'll seed the existing spreadsheet with some data and get it up to the Admin area later on Monday. I'll be away for a family funeral in Wales 11-12 April so hopefully we can start to roll it out from Fri 13th.
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Sorry I never got the prototype spreadsheet up to the Admin area before being thrown out of the Admin group. So I guess its back to you Oliver.
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Ian, You said that the spreadsheet was going to be totally independent of the website and the forum, so how does your access or lack of it to the Admin area affect anything? See my previous message above.
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Well according to my understanding of IAC's quality control protocol, my new spreadsheet would need to okayed by the IAC Admins before going live. Since I'm no longer an Admin I have no interest in pursuing this now.
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If Joe is willing to admin a pairs ladder then we wil just have to figure something out. I understand Oliver is totally strapped for time now, Ian can't be the only person in IAC with spreadsheet skills. It's too bad that it didn't work out with Ian, but since it seems as though it hasn't, I will try to find time to investigate other possibilities. If anyone has suggestions as to people who might be both capable and willing, they'd be most welcome! It would be a treat for the members to have something ready to go by late August or army September if we can manage it.
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I'm willing to admin for the ladder again. However, it sounds like you all were exploring some other process because the code didn't work for the ladder after the rewrite, is that correct?
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IAC site needs serious rewrite of both Ladders, for Pairs and for Teams, neither works right now & Oliver just has no time to do it.
So we MUST rely on any outside source.
I think Team Series is also affected. Of course, there is no point running it now during summer, as many members are away, but they all ask for them, we should plan them for fall.
If you can help Joe, pls do, all wants ladders back. And if u need a hand, just holler :)
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Well, perhaps its as simple as posting a google sheet with the pairs names. They email me to tell me results and I move the teams. This is not as nice as some automatic features, but at least everyone could see the ladder and current champions. They could CC me on all challenges and we could generally keep the rules the same.
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Joe, u just got carma yay :)
If you do not mind have all that work, lets start. Announcment in BBO and off Pairs go, TY!
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https://goo.gl/AcfbGY
This is what the sheet would look like. Very simple. and I will move the names when I get reported results.
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Looks fine to me -- pls give it a start Joe, even tho plenty of members are on vacation, many are still around, bored to death and awaiting some IAC action.
Wish GL and fun to all :) with huge TY for organizining it!
Sanya