I was wondering if I had been the inspiration ofr the thread.
On Thursday I was the opener and yes I bid 3 figuring it would be taken as spade support. Should it be? Oh, I don't know. I held
K94 - 6 - J94 - AKQT87.
It's highly likely pard has five spades, in fact he had six. If he only has four spades then he skipped over hearts to respond one spade, so he will have at most three hearts, so the opponents will have at least nine hearts, so probably they will be bidding on, and so, so, so. Anyway he had six. He raised to 4 , it's a reasonable contract but not on ice. He made it.
It's a little tough to see just what I should do if 3 does not show spades. Maybe I could bid 3 and then, assuming they go on to 3 , I could then bid 3 .
A discussion of just when U/U is on could be useful. After 1m-(2m) Michaels it has always seemed to me to be a close call as to whether 2M is best used as a U/U bid or as an attempt to get to NT.
Was I your partner on this hand Ken? I have no record of this hand. Assuming the auction was 1 -(p) - 1 -(2NT) -? With your hand I would have bid 3 with the 6.5 playing trick hand. I remember playing in several spade contracts in Jim's session. It is an interesting debate about when UvU should apply. I do not think it should apply here when we have already bid 2 suits. Only when we have bid one suit before the 2N overcall should it apply. i.e. 1 - (2NT)-?
3 = weaker than direct 3 ;
3 = limit raise or better
3 = forcing
3 = weaker support.
I think this is mainstream.
On Thursday I was the opener and yes I bid 3
figuring it would be taken as spade support. Should it be? Oh, I don't know. I held
K94 -
6 -
J94 -
AKQT87.
It's highly likely pard has five spades, in fact he had six. If he only has four spades then he skipped over hearts to respond one spade, so he will have at most three hearts, so the opponents will have at least nine hearts, so probably they will be bidding on, and so, so, so. Anyway he had six. He raised to 4
, it's a reasonable contract but not on ice. He made it.
It's a little tough to see just what I should do if 3
does not show spades. Maybe I could bid 3
and then, assuming they go on to 3
, I could then bid 3
.
A discussion of just when U/U is on could be useful. After 1m-(2m) Michaels it has always seemed to me to be a close call as to whether 2M is best used as a U/U bid or as an attempt to get to NT.
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Was I your partner on this hand Ken? I have no record of this hand. Assuming the auction was 1
-(p) - 1
-(2NT) -? With your hand I would have bid 3
with the 6.5 playing trick hand. I remember playing in several spade contracts in Jim's session. It is an interesting debate about when UvU should apply. I do not think it should apply here when we have already bid 2 suits. Only when we have bid one suit before the 2N overcall should it apply. i.e. 1
- (2NT)-?
3
=
weaker than direct 3
;
3
= limit
raise or better
3
= forcing
3
= weaker
support.
I think this is mainstream.
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Indeed you were my partner. Or I think it was you. You had this good six card spade suit, you thought a bit, and you bid, and made, 4
. I also can't find the whole hand. As I recall, spades split reasonably well. clubs didn't. There are reasons for wanting to be in 4
. In clubs, I will be ruffing a heart. This will stop them from taking a second heart but it will not add to the trick total. When you ruff a heart with a spade, it not only stops them from taking a heart it adds to the trick total. And we only need ten tricks, not eleven. It could go wrong but all was well.
I forget just where this hand came from, but it was one of the hands up for discussion.. You, or partner, whoever it was, said you/he took it as spade support. I think I agree that really it should be a heart control looking for NT.
But that's why we have these discussion sessions.