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Sleight of Hand / Re: Drury in action
« on: March 29, 2022, 01:45:14 PM »
In these very close situations it is not obvious that either of you have overbid. 

If I were forced to apportion blame for being in too optimistic a contract then it would be the robot.  I think that the shape and strength make it suitable for a 1 !S response.  Then it would go:  1 !H -1 !S; 1NT - 3 !H -?

The subltle difference is that the bot has allowed you to show a balanced hand at the 1 level.  Still pass or bid 4 !H is in the balance. 

Dosen't the bot play 2 way Drury where 2 !C is 3 card support and 2 !D is 4 card support.  Which I think is an advance on simple Drury.

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Sleight of Hand / Re: Opener's reverse: Definition
« on: March 26, 2022, 09:29:03 PM »
Glad there is unanimity in this thread that 1 !D-2 !C-2 !H is a reverse.  At the table in Donnas session I did get a constant assertion from some kibbers that it was not a reverse.  I beleieve that there is a confusion among some that just because this particular  "reverse" does not show extras then they argue that it is not a reverse.

Onto the hand and Gavin Wolpert.


!S  AQT6
!H  AQ85
!D  KQ43
!C  J




!S  K743
!H  764
!D  T
!C  AKQ87

Having watched many of his Robot sessions with Rob Barrington.  I have seen him rebid 2N on a practically identical hand.

I am certain that the auction would go:
1 !D     2 !C
2NT     3 !S
So they find their 4-4 spade fit and now opener knows that responder has 5+ !C s and 4  !Ss
I often see that they have no inhibitions about opening or rebidding in no trumps with a singleton minor and I see sense in this approach.

The sequence 1 !D -2 !C - 2 !H looks ugly and contrived  and if as Todd maintains that this rebid could be made with only 4 !D s then then you cannot bid out your shape which is self destructive. 

Also the debate that 1 !D -2  !C -2 !H not showing extras but 1 !D -2 !C - 2 !S as showing extras.  I think that few would have the patience hold this view.  I will stick to the understanding that after a 2/1 game force a low reverse does not guarantee extras but a high reverse does.   And we all know what a high reverse is don't we? 

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Sleight of Hand / Opener's reverse: Definition
« on: March 25, 2022, 11:27:01 AM »
When opener's rebid is above the same suit simple rebid it is called a reverse.  It says nothing about extra strength or length but has definite implications. 

Take 1 !C - 1 !S - 2 !D in a natural sequence.  Opener's "same suit rebid barrier" is 2 !C.  The rebid of 2 !D is above this barrier and so is a reverse.  The implications of this reverse is that opener needs extra strength to find the right contract if responder has 5 or 6 points.  Another general implication is that the first bid suit will be longer than the 2nd bid suit.  It seems (from the opinions given by kibs in Donnas iac session) that this 2nd implication is disputed for a 1-4-4-4 distribution.  Nevertheless the fact that it is a reverse has to be indisputable.

Take again 1 !C - 1 !S - 2 !D but this time you are playing transfer responses to 1 !C whereby 1 !D shows  !Hs; 1 !H shows  !S s; and 1 !S shows  !Ds.  This is still a reverse of course.  However, the implications are totally different.  The 2 !D bid implies a minimum opener with 5  !Cs + 4 !D s and of course is not forcing.  Responder will pass with most hands with fewer than 12 points. 

Ofcourse if you are playing 5542 then the 2 !D rebid would not imply 5 !C +4 !D.  This hand could have 4 !D and only 2  !Cs.  Nevertheless it is by definition a reverse. 

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Sleight of Hand / Re: To be or not to be
« on: March 24, 2022, 08:34:27 PM »
I had the South hand and decided to make a take out double rather than bidding 2NT.  In retrospect I think ken's 2N is better because I should think 3NT is still possible.  Then I didnt go for 5 !C after partner bid 3!c.  Maybe I should have because I can put RHO with 6 !H and likely 4 !S because the weak 2 !H was not opened.

The bots defence Iat ken's table was I think faulty.
West led 10 !S from  !S K1094 and East had  !S Q762 and played the 2.  Surely the bot could have afforded an encouraging 7?  Ken correctly ducked.  Then all West has to do to defeat 3N is to continue with the K  !S  Good for Ken and alas for me the bot switched to a  !D and 9 tricks were wrapped up.  This +10 imps meant that ken won the challenge.  So yes often winning matches turn on mistakes made by the opps.  In this case mistakes by the bots.

I like these challenge matches but suggest that more decisive results come from "best hand" challenges.  Then we declare usually about 75% of hands and so robot declared hands that often have no swing are eliminated.     

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The IAC Café / Re: IAC vs ACOL - New Match Sunday April 3rd
« on: March 24, 2022, 05:50:44 PM »
Hooray :)
Can I now declare 7NT team for April 3:  Wackojack + Veeree; kenberg + Ylee

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Sleight of Hand / Re: NMF - opener's 1st obligation?
« on: March 18, 2022, 11:35:59 PM »
"1 !D – 1 !S
1NT – 2 !C
2 !S – 3 !S

not an invite, but a slam move in spades."

Perhaps so.  However, even better playing 2 way cb as it would go:

1 !D  -  1 !S
1NT   -  2 !D (art GF)
2 !S  -3 !S  (unequivically a slam try since 4 !S would be to play.

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Sleight of Hand / Re: NMF - opener's 1st obligation?
« on: March 18, 2022, 11:27:37 PM »
OH! and I play Walsh response so with leass than a game force  and 4 or 5 diamonds and a 4 card major I will skip over the  !D suit and respond 1M.  If partner rebids 1N and I am weak I re-respond 2 !C which is a relay to 2 !D which I pass. So playing 2-way check back you can conveniently skip over a longer  !D suit in order to find a possible 4-4M fit and if that isnt the case then you relay to play in 2 !D.

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Sleight of Hand / Re: NMF - opener's 1st obligation?
« on: March 18, 2022, 11:19:52 PM »
Just as a matter of interest.  Acol plays 12-14 1NT.  This means that you never find a 4-4 major suit fit if partner has fewer than 11.  OTOH Acol should almost guarantee finding a 4-4 major suit fit with a balanced 15-19. Since a weak no trump has twice the frequency of a strong no trump you are about 4 times less likley to lose a 4-4 major suit fit if you play strong no trump.

It has been said that if you play the weak no trump it destroys your 4-4M fit finding.  And by the same token it also destroys the opps  4-4M fit finding 

In my book(playing 15-17 1NT) I very nearly  always  rebid 1NT with a balanced 12-14 with 4 spades and not 4 hearts.  So if the bidding goes 1 !C-1 !H-1 !S I am guaranteeing an unbalanced hand.  I consider it my first duty to tell my partner that I have or dont have a balanced hand.  If partner has fewer than 11 we could miss a 4-4 spade fit if opps pass.  What happens in practice is that the opps intervene and we find our 4-4 spade fit OR LHO conveniently leads a spade against 1NT.  Usually a win-win situation.

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Sleight of Hand / Re: NMF - opener's 1st obligation?
« on: March 17, 2022, 05:19:33 PM »
I think you will find a 4-4 spade fit if there is one even when you rebid 1NT with 4 !S, 3 !H, 4 !D, D2 !C provided partner has 11+HCP using nmf.
 1 !D   1 !H
1NT     2 !C
2 !H     2 !S
3 !S     
Now you support your partner's 4 card  !S suit.

It is more obvious if you play 2 way check back which is incorporated into BBO Adv. After 1x-1y-1N
then 2 !D = 5+ !D 4 !H weak .  So you can sign off in 2 !D.
OR with an invite hand partner can next show his 4 card spade suit

1 !D   1 !H
1NT    2 !C (relay)
2 !D    2  !S
3 !S

If responder has a game forcing hand opener bids 2 !D after 1N So:
1 !D   1 !H
1NT    2 !D * Artificial game force
2 !H **  2 !S
3 !S     4 !S

** opener shows delayed 3 card  !H support.  And now responder shows 4 !S

Of course if you open 1NT (15-17) with a 4 card major and partner has 5-6 or even 7 high card points with a 4 cards in the same major you cannot find that 4-4 fit. 

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Sleight of Hand / Re: NMF - opener's 1st obligation?
« on: March 16, 2022, 03:26:37 PM »
I am not sure we are talking about the same things. 

Vered asks about opener's rebid and by that I assume she means 1st rebid.  If this be so then the question must be:
1m-1 !H - ? when I have 3 card support for hearts and a 4 card spade suit. 

The answer is abolutely clear here and it is NEVER support hearts on the 1st round with 3 hearts and 4 spades.

 What you do bid when you have 3 hearts and 4 spades is however, contentious. 
One school of thinking says:
My first duty is to tell partner if I have a balanced or unbalance hand.  In this case if I have a balanced 12-14 with 3 hearts and 4 spades  I rebid 1NT.   
The other school of thinking says bid up-the-line so I don't miss a 4-4 spade fit in which case the bidding goes 1m-1 !H-1 !S.

There are arguments for and against both.  We can go into those arguments if that is what you are asking Vered

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Sleight of Hand / Re: Dare to acol
« on: March 15, 2022, 06:57:54 PM »
Yes I think this is an entirely artificial problem

I was sitting with the hand holding    !H KJ3  and that was South.  I ducked smoothly and was already thinking could declarer have 4 small hearts and was working out what holding in hearts would declarer have to have to defeat the contract.  However declarer never tried the finesse and just took his 9 tricks. 

The answer is that if declarer has 8xxx then I can lead the K and follow with the Jack and partner cannot go wrong.  If however, declater has 9xxx not holding the 8 then I must lead the J.  Too much for me, I was preparing myself to lead the K !H.

And oh!  This hand is unusual in that the only 4 card suit is hearts and so would be opened a heart.  However, some Acol players with a balanced 4M +4m in tthe 15-19 range would bid up-the line just like in SA many with 12-14 and 4M+4m would bid up-the -line (and not rebid 1N).  So Acol is as different as SA in that respect.

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Sleight of Hand / ist session hand 5 iac v Acol clb
« on: March 02, 2022, 05:24:20 PM »
Hand 5 first session
 
               ♠ 2
                ♥ A982
                ♦ AKJ754
                !C Q10   
 
♠ AJ1097              ♠ Q653
♥ K105                  !H 64
♦ 32                      !D 986
♣ AJ96                   !C 6543

            ♠ K84
              ♥ QJ73
              ♦ 32
              ♣ AJ96


NS vulnerable

At My table sitting EW
West   North   East   South
   1♦   p    1♥
1♠   3♥    p   4♥
p   p   p   

4♥ duly made -620.
We were playing against an Acol pair and I note that North raised to 3♥.  In the Monday evening discussion both Alan and Colin stated very definitely the raise to 3♥ would be pre-emptive.  I argued it could not be pre-emptive because when it is a known to be no more than a 4-4 fit there is no such thing as a pre-empt to the 3 level a you should not raise to more than the level of the fit.  (Aside:  Of course with a 5-4 fit the mixed semi-preemptive Bergen raise 1♠-3♦ is perfectly sound.) Nevertheless this particular North obviously meant the jump to 3♥ to show extra strength and South naturally raised to the comfortable 4♥ game. 

At Ken and Carl’s table
   1♦   p    1♥
1♠   2♠    3♠   p
4♠   p   p   p
Ken in the North position cue bid 2♠.  Was that bid meant so show a good raise?  And did it say anything about spades?  It appears that Carl did not see this2♠ bid as supporting hearts.  (Maybe perhaps asking for a stop in 3NT?)  If so it is not very easy to explain why 4♠ was not doubled for penalty.  As it happens, because of the favourable vulnerability for EW it is a good sacrifice for 3 off netting only 500.  In the play 4♠ went 4 off so instead of +7 imps we lost 9 imps.

I will leave it at that for now but will follow up with what happened at other tables witnessing extraordinary differences in hand evaluation.  Illustrating the “bee in my bonnet

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Sleight of Hand / Re: iac versus acol, 1st half, board 4, Added stuff.
« on: March 02, 2022, 03:29:00 PM »
A really tough hand to play and time the trump coup Ken.

The hands:

                                     !S AKJ4
                                     !H 842
                                     !D AQT743
                                     !C void


!S Q86                                                      T97532                                   
!H Q9653                                                  7
!D KJ85                                                     2
!C T                                                          AQ643

                                   !S void
                                   !H AKJT
                                   !D 96
                                   !C KJ98752
 
I am interested in the bidding and whether the take out of 3NT is justified. 
After 1 !D -(2 !S) - 3 !C-3 !D
Presumably partner's 3 !C is just forcing for 1 round
Presumably your bid of 3 !D is showing length, no extra strength and not forcing. 
Then you partner bids 3  !H.  Does that show now a game force?  Or forcing to 4minor?  (Avert your eyes Joe?)  I assume game force showing a good heart stop and not necessarily a 4 card heart suit.  Or could it be that partner thinks it is possible that he has a 4-4 heart fit with you.  If not, what is partner looking for?  3NT contract?  A cue looking for slam possibilities?  A waiting bid to get more info from you?
OK you bid 3NT saying that you do have spades stopped. Also your partner might reason that you have 4 spades because otherwise the opps have a 10 card  !S fit and would have raised spades.  So could deduce 4261 or 4360.  If these assumptions are correct and I have not missed a rival assumption, then your partner should definitely not have taken you out of 3NT.

PS This has the flavour of an MSC question and I did not have the time to try this month's quiz prefering to look real problems closer to home.

 

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We have a 4-4 !s fit and a 5-3 !D fit. When we end in !S at some level, I don't think we should overhaul the system so that we end in our 5-3 !D fit instead of our 4-4 !S fit. But I do think we would not be in 4. And that was due to choice, not system".

Yes I agree Ken.  The operative word is choice.  Choice here means using all information availble to make the best judgement.  Ulimately it is the team that makes the best judgement that wins in the long run.

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OK lets consider first the bidding:

                  !S K943
                  !H -
                  !D QJ642
                  !C KQ106

 !S AQ                          !S J105
 !H AQ92                      !H J10754
 !D 983                        !D A10
 !C 9543                      !C 872

                !S 8762
                !H K863
                !D K75
                !C AJ


At my table:
S   W   N   E
p   1♣   1♦   1♥
3♦   p   p   p
Sitting West with a min opener I would like to have competed to 3♥ but that would be showing a much stronger hand.  When 3♦ was passed out I was wondering if the opps had talked us out of a part score contract. 

So over to Ken’s table where Ken was sitting North.
S   W   N   E
1♦   p   1♠   p
2♠   p   4♠   p

As Ken says it is not the best of contracts.  Ken’s partner Carl decided to open this balanced 11 points with 1♦.  Was this wise? Well with 4-4 in the majors there is a case for opening 1m. (Andrew Robson and Gavin Wolpert have opened with 11 and 4-4 in the majors in their New tricks challenge matches) However I am not sure this would qualify because there is too much strength in the minors and not enough in the majors.  The “raison d’etre” for opening on 11 and 4-4 in the majors is that you are odds on to find partner with 4 cards in one of the majors and thus boss the contract.  In particular the cards in the boss suit spades are only 8 high and so not good enough.   

So when Carl raised Ken’s 1♠ response to 2♠, Ken with 11HCP and a void worth in theory an extra 5 it was natural to raise to 4♠. Ken eloquently describes how 4♠ could be made but was not.
So a loss of 5 imps instead of a poential gain of 7 imps.

The OCP bidding of this hand was interesting.  It went:

S          W                                                       N          E
p          1♦ (11-15 not 13-15 bal no 5CM)          p          1♥ (8-10 just points)
p          1NT (11-12 balanced)                           p          p

So they get into a 1NT contract that should go down missing a 5-4 heart fit that makes.  East's pass with a 5 card heart suit seems inexplicable.   This bad contract eventually made maybe because the Acol pair were decieved (and you might say unfairly) by the outlandish bidding.

At the other table South OCP had the opportunity to use a secret weapon of a mini (10-12)
S                 W              N                     E
1NT 10-12      p           2NT Xfer to ♦      p
3♦                p                   p                   p

It is not clear what the bid of 3 !C would mean after the 2NT transfer, and OCP got into a good contract.  So the OCP pair gained 6 imps on this deal perhaps because the Acol pair had not prepared a defence to the OCP's dubios 1 !D opening bid. 

2 other IAC pairs bid to 4 !S and neither of them found the winning line. 

Just one more to comment on: 

Another OCP pair bid like this:
  S   W   N   E
1NT   p   2 !C   p
2 !H   p   3NT   p
p      p       

Too lazy to find the 4-4 spade fit?  So this went 2 off

At the other table the Acol pair easily brushed aside the East-West OCP bidding.
S       W          N        E
p       1 !D       p      1 !H
p       2 !H       x      p
2 !S       p           p          p     

The modest contract of 2 !S made with an overtrick to give another 6imps to the Acol team
 









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