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Sleight of Hand / Re: How NOT to Defend against NT Contracts
« on: July 17, 2017, 06:04:13 PM »
Recently  even the GIBs have been doing this sort of thing, including trumping my good trick in 3rd seat in order to finesse me for declarer. They virtually never ever return  the opening lead, ( and seldom  lead the bid suit)  so perhaps all the people playing with the GIBs are being  "taught"  this sort of thing, believing that the GIBs are set up for optimum play.

Certainly the other night playing in BBO, human  opps  who I would have assumed would know better were taking  their tricks off the top in NT and very cooperatively setting up suits for me. so perhaps it's a trend.

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Sleight of Hand / missing the obvious
« on: July 08, 2017, 11:56:00 PM »
I hold  !S 43  !H KQ943  !D-     !C KQJ643    Sitting in third seat all vul.  MPs

 Bidding goes: pass  pass  1 !H   X   XX   2 !D  I'm not sure if p means the XX as support or what else you got?
Can't bid the !C because that would be a reverse and I'm nowhere near that and I've only got 5 !H so can't rebid those either, it's not THAT strong a suit.   So I pass.  LHO passes.

Partner bids 2 !H.   RHO passes.

Do I mention the !C?  I think about it and bid them, if we have a double fit it might be one of those miracle hands, and at least the XX showed some few  points somewhere even if I still  don't know what it was for sure. The 2 !H sounds like a determination not to let them have it rather than anything enthusiastic about  !H.  ( Probly my first mistake. Next one coming up right away.)

I'm assuming p will put me back in !H if he doesn't like the !C , instead he bids 3NT.  Now we are going to be overbidding the hand, I think, and figure he has the other two suits.  Consider bidding 4 !H, not sure if he will think that's some sort of slam try.    So... may the bridge gods and my partner forgive me,  I pass.

P has !S AQ765 !H T76 !D Q932 and !C 9   It was not a happy hand.
How else  could this have been handled other than not trying to find jewels  in the sludge?


I assume I should just have passed the 2 !H?  What about opening the  !C instead of the !H ? ( a point brought up for discussion after the tourney )

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Sleight of Hand / Re: spot card leads against suit contracts.
« on: July 08, 2017, 07:14:26 PM »
 I read somewhere that 2 /4 leads are 4rth from a good suit, 2nd from a bad one. Since the 7 cannot be 4rth then presumably partner has the Tx left  Unless it was a singleton or possibly even a doubleton, not sure how doubletons fit into it.   It's unlikely to be a singleton though as that would have left declarer with 5 !H and unlikely to bypass them to bid 2 C OR to have opened 1!D.

I would probably take the 2!c bid as saying name your major  I've got it  and  dont want to play NT, so possibly 2344 distribution or maybe even 1444. 

Not that i would have thought of that at the table.....most of the time knowing if we are playing standard or udca carding is about as far as agreements go.

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Sleight of Hand / Re: How to come unstuck!!!! (Nearly)
« on: July 08, 2017, 01:55:32 AM »
whenever I see a totally incomprehensible bid or play I assume it was a misclick and some poor schmuck is mentally berating themselves and vowing to take up knitting.

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The IAC Café / Re: Instructive commentary
« on: July 07, 2017, 11:20:29 PM »
even  just listening to the commentary was interesting, thanks for posting this.

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The IAC Café / Re: Just checking
« on: July 07, 2017, 10:23:41 PM »
glad you are posting, Ken.  I often read them but feel I have little to contribute, just so you know there's at least one more reading your posts. :)

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The IAC Café / Re: An idea - Teams of 2
« on: June 29, 2017, 02:22:23 AM »
another thought was that catering to the 5 minute a hand crowd is not useful over the long run. People SAID they wanted speedballs, so we offered them, that lasted about three weeks, Even the people that said they wanted them weren't showing up.  Same with shortened tourneys, the 10 board tourneys were in response to a request for shorter tourneys. We have an ongoing request from one member for 5 board 5 minute a board tourneys. I am strongly opposed to making IAC a promoter of quickie bridge. Experts can indeed play two cards and claim, that's decidedly not the case for probably 99% of our semi active members. Even if some could, they'd likely be playing vs people who couldn't see how the claim worked and I think I MAY have once seen the planned play of the hand described in the claim, as BBO rules say it must be.

Often it is as fast to play it out as to plod through the process of claiming and then wait for the opps to work it out.

We cannot and never will be able to compete with robot tourneys or the systems BBO offers  for playing with 3 robots, always available to play exactly how many hands at the exact time and at the precise pace wanted. So we may as well try to focus on promoting good bridge as far as we are able.

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The IAC Café / Re: An idea - Teams of 2
« on: June 29, 2017, 02:14:23 AM »
There are some plans afoot for the fall, as summer in much of North America  at least tends to be short and people have a  lot of other claims on their time. The thought is that trying again in the fall to get anything new started would have a slightly better chance of success.

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The IAC Café / Re: An idea - Teams of 2
« on: June 22, 2017, 08:12:14 AM »
Well, the Total Points club seems to manage to get people to wait, although they do have a limit on the time people are allowed to take for each segment. they also have someone running sessions though to monitor and keep everything moving smoothly. However, only the people moving on have to wait, they use a knockout system after each round.

I  like the idea of a system which doesn't require a lot of tracking and "paperwork" as unless there is  good participation it's just a lot of work and time that someone has to do for not much gratification.

My experience with the team matches strongly suggests that a time needs to be set, whatever time that might be. If players have to organize 8 people starting from scratch every time it will fail, it's just too much hassle for people to bother with for long. It's late when I'm writing this and I confess I don't have a clear idea of what you intend.. a sort of Total Points tourney? On the download version that's already an option, so that wouldn't be a problem to set up at all, at least until they pull  the rug out.

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IAC Matters / Re: Crazy?
« on: June 12, 2017, 02:38:47 PM »
Thanks Ken :)  If you establish some degree of routine when you are in the club I'm sure some cats will plan to join the table. Let me know if I can help in any way.

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IAC Matters / Re: Crazy?
« on: June 12, 2017, 02:55:40 AM »
If you aren't playing then you could move from match to match and set up the tables/hands.  You would need to have permission to set multiple matches, or use the IAC Id as generally  people are only allowed to set one match, but that's easilly worked out. It's more complicated if you are playing and I'm not sure it's possible,  maybe if you set your own match last it would work.

one thing to consider, too, with more than one match people will be ending at all sorts of different times, not normally an issue, but it is if you're waiting for everyone to finish so the  review can start.

 Starting out with two tables ( have to have two to have  a match) would be wise simply because then we have to ask only 8 people to be patient while any glitches are dealt with,  otherwise sure as taxes  some will get restless,  messages start flying about, all of which are distracting and have either to be ignored or if not, cause everything you are trying to fix revert to stage 1 etc. It's needlessly stressful.

 I am still clutching onto the  download version so can tell you the basics about setting up matches on the web version but not the more esoteric stuff like setting 3 or 4 matches simultaneously with preselected hands.  Someone in the ACOL club  can do this. or at least could on the download version, and sent me the program a couple of years ago but it's on a defunct computer. I wanted to do that for the team matches but they never got running smoothly enough at the start to feel any sort of hope that it would work very well.  It depended on everyone doing what they are supposed to when they were supposed to do it and although some teams could be relied on, others were almost always in some sort of crisis at the start. :) 

To do the other, have only one table would work and be easier but I honestly don't know how many members are keen to go through the hands like that. People are odd, they supposedly come to BBO to play but then park themselves in kib boxes and  put down roots. I expect that if you set up such a table at any sort of regular time, there would likely soon be a regular group who showed up. That could then be expanded, perhaps?

As far as experts: some years ago now I organized play tables in IAC and had an expert come to be "on call" as it were for people who were having difficulties deciding what to do, a bid or a lead or a play, whatever.

 People showed up to play, we usually had about 5 tables, BUT... NOBODY would ever ask for any help!! So the poor experts would be wandering from table to table, and eventually started just  offering comments if  they saw something they felt deserved comment.  That came to  halt when a member took fairly direct offense at having his bidding/play remarked upon, albeit nonjudgementally. So between that and the total lack of participation by the players,  I cancelled the sessions.

I'd thought people would be keeping the expert running from table to table, not wandering like a lost soul wasting his time.  At least one of the experts said at the time  he'd be perfectly willing to return if we started that up again, but of course things may well be different now.  To be honest don't now remember everyone who was doing that for us.

that's possibly not pertinent other than to demonstrate how totally unpredictable the members are. At least to me.
 


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IAC Matters / Re: Crazy?
« on: June 10, 2017, 07:33:57 PM »
The idea of starting out with two tables  rather than 6 seems MUCH more feasible to me and I am fairly sure  it wouldn't be a lot of problem finding 4 experts to comment to the kibs on what they are doing and why. It would possibly be easier to find experts to play if they are playing vs other experts than with us peons, more interesting for them. :)  I think it would also be relatively easy to find 4 IAC members to take part, it would be delightful to think we might have people competing for seats!We could start by working down the list of people who won the last team matches or who are on the Hall  of Fame perhaps, make it worth something :).

 Having all the experts hanging around later might be asking a lot, would we need them all, do you think Oliver? or maybe one as a general spokesperson? For the Junior tourneys on Tuesdays,  the experts play with Junior partners and then wander off, one expert stays and goes through the hands.  We could ask who was interested in doing what,  either just playing/talking to the kibs,  or playing and then reviewing the two results....  do you think that would work?

  It's also possible to set the hands for the match... There is a program to do that for multiple tables but it's a huge complicated hassle  to try to set up, with just the two tables it would be relatively easy I believe.

The main issue I see with it is the timing, as always, trying to coordinate 8  or more people can be a bit of a headache.  That is not insurmountable but that would likely be the hardest part in terms of finding experts to commit to playing.     Anyone have any suggestions as to day/time? 

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IAC Matters / Re: Crazy?
« on: June 10, 2017, 03:12:53 AM »
it's an interesting idea.  Hoki does something  similar  in that the hands he brings to his play and discuss sessions are generally hands from Vugraph or some international   tourney, or sometimes from a bridge text.  I think they're great but it's frequently a battle to get people to sit.

What is the thinking behind all the players at a table being on the same team? Wouldn't that be likely to  lead to  some possibly questionably cooperative  bidding and play?

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IAC Matters / Re: Why I Want to Be a Member of IAC
« on: June 04, 2017, 02:53:15 AM »
Part of what helps the ACOL club is the relative scarcity of people who play the system so it's a place where they can go and find someone who plays their system. That said, even the ACOL club struggled for a number of years  to get enough people to maintain the club, or so admins have told me.

They were the originators of the idea of hosted tables, which we tried in IAC at their suggestion and had some success until a mix of events scuttled them. There is some interest in trying those again in the fall.

 They do run tourneys and for a while were also running team matches, whether those are ongoing I don't know. One thing I've noticed is that it tends to be more social than IAC is, we tend to have very nice members but they cluster in clumps and those clumps tend not to interact much.  Thus we get tables with a group playing and a clump of kibs sitting watching rather than playing, as many of our members are fussy about the people who play at their table and apparently would rather kib than take a chance that a player "not up to their standard"  might sit.

 I know that attitude ( which usually is very clear to the unfortunate who sits, if only because of a grim silence or an exaggerated patient pointing out of errors) is part of why some members play in BIL. The players are polite but the chill is palpable.  sigh

How to deal with that is a question, if indeed even possible. I do think the friendly atmosphere  has contributed to the success of the ACOL club, as well as the hard work of the admins to capitalize on it. The few times I've been in the ACOL club there has often been chat between tables ( haven't been in the club since the changeover to the web version, so no idea if still the same)  which gives the impression they are all friends. No doubt that's not entirely true, but that was the atmosphere.  How to achieve that ??

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IAC Matters / Re: Why I Want to Be a Member of IAC
« on: May 31, 2017, 12:16:52 AM »
It's very difficult not to feel defeated when we have 900 members and cannot get more than 30 of them out to anything, usually fewer. It's not that they are not online, they just aren't involved with IAC, some apparently would rather kib or play with bots.

That's their choice, clearly, but then why are they members? They can't even be involved enough to tell us. Or they say it's because the times are wrong but when we put on events at the time they say they wanted they still don't play with us.  Why did 600+ people scream bloody murder when BBO dropped their memberships? It's beyond me to explain why they even noticed much less care.

They won't tell us why they want to be members, they won't tell us what drives them to spend their bridge time elsewhere so we can try to  adapt.  It leads to a feeling of defeat when people offer their time to direct or teach and nobody shows up. It is even more depressing  when IAC members play in BIL instead of IAC, if they belong in BIL then why are they members of IAC? We struggle to get people to play in teaching sessions, but  members will apparently eagerly sit in teaching sessions in BIL.  Sometimes it's even the same teacher  at the same time of day and everyone sitting at the table in BIL is an IAC member, as well as half the kibs.  One day I dropped in and there were only two people NOT IAC members, the teacher and one other.

So sometimes it feels like swimming in molasses in the dark having no sense of what direction to go to reach anywhere at all. 

 

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